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Philly Guy's avatar

Trump brought a lot of people into the party, specifically the white and hispanic working class. A return to Paul Ryan Republicanism focused exclusively on economics would send them back to the D's. I think DeSantis, Abbott and Younkin have shown a way to combine a realistic economic message with a Ryan-missing cultural message. Competence and culture is the message. Trump won narrowly against a weak candidate in 2020 and lost to a weaker candidate in 2020. His governance was good but he got nothing lasting done because he is a fish out of water in a political environment. I pray he bows out now with my gratitude for his accomplishments. But I fear he won't.

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Jeffrey Carter's avatar

I agree, a return to the old GOP is a mistake. But, to have Trump lead the party into the future is a mistake as well. DeSantis, Abbott, Younkin are the path forward. The problem is that voters turn into cults....

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Patricia J.'s avatar

Right. And with all love and respect for what he did for the country and for me, he needs to find a different role.

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Tony's avatar

Well said

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The Musings of the Big Red Car's avatar

Preface to my comment: Regardless of what one may think of Donald J Trump, his "sell by date" has arrived. Laud him or castigate him, he is the past.

Ultimately the candidate himself/herself is responsible for how they design, organize, staff, fund, and run his/her campaign.

One of the decisions they must make is ENDORSEMENTS. Did a Trump endorsement aid a candidate?

YES in the primaries.

NO in the general election.

DeSantis won by 0.5% in 2018 and won by 19.4% yesterday. Who made that happen? DeSantis and the way he governed Florida and the way he ran his re-election campaign. Bravo and well played.

The Republicans have a deep bench of talent and they would be served well to work it.

JLM

www.themusingsofthebigredcar.com

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John Oh's avatar

It's time to clean house. If Trump wants to run, go for it. But I hope DeSantis, Cruz, Pompeo, Haley and who ever else has an idea jumps in. An open primary would really clear the air. And McConnell needs to go. He's as bad as Trump only quieter and with good manners. And Rona needs to get with the program or go because the tech side of campaigning has fallen so far behind what the democrats are doing. Maybe house leadership too, although I didn't follow their spending that closely.

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Philly Guy's avatar

I like DeSantis the best but would like to see the other names run except for Cruz. Unless someone has run something in their prior life I think the Senate is poor preparation for running the executive branch. I would also add Abbott and Younkin.

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Jeffrey Carter's avatar

I want a competitive primary without Trump. Competition makes them better.

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Tony's avatar

The GOP should have swept this election run but we chose fringe candidates and election deniers. Even solid red Idaho here rejected the Trump endorsements. I have said it before and will say it again, get the party back to what makes us strong....ditto Trace’s comments above. Trump is afraid of DeSantis and he should be after DeSantis delivered a statement win for all offices in FL. Drop Trump and let’s get back to winning elections.

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Rascal Nick Of's avatar

I live in Idaho and watch politics fairly closely. But I don’t pay any attention to Trump. Who did he endorse here and what’s the evidence his endorsement was rejected by voters?

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Tony's avatar

Janice McGeachin for Governor over Brad Little.

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Rascal Nick Of's avatar

Oh yeah. Forgot about her. She was never gonna beat Little in the primary anyways. Trump’s endorsement might have actually helped her in the primary. Impossible to know for sure either way. But I agree that Trump was probably a drag in many places for general elections. Particularly Wisconsin comes to mind. Michels might have won there if he wasn’t as closely connected to Trump. Same with Walker in Georgia. Kemp was not tied to Trump and won big so that is worth contemplating.

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Jeffrey Carter's avatar

Super interesting comment about Idaho.

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Rascal Nick Of's avatar

Perhaps of interest: IFF is a 501c3 that closely follows and reports on Idaho government, social policies, and issues. They have an awesome index of bills with a “freedom score” and cross reference how the legislators vote on these bills giving them a grade on the issues. Great org. https://idahofreedom.org/three-takeaways-from-idahos-general-election/?utm_source=Idaho+Freedom&utm_campaign=8b47041871-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2022_11_09_07_06&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_a9d62b30fb-8b47041871-246430189

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MaineModerate's avatar

Agree with Jeffrey Minch below - Trump provides a primary stimulus and a general election tax. I think this is especially true when he's not on the ballot, but also may be true to a lesser extent when he's on it.

Voters have been pretty common sense the last two election cycles - they like competent governance and no-drama candidates regardless of party affiliation. The litmus test is the difference in margin in states like OH and GA between competent governors and terrible senate candidates. Even in 2020, Trump was out-performed by more competent GOP candidates. Whether you like him or not, there's a tax on him with voters that DeSantis, Kemp, Abbott, and co don't pay. Time to move forward with that bench.

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Ataraxis's avatar

Agreed on the no-drama candidates. It’s the independents and ticket splitters who are swinging the elections, so that is who the candidates must appeal to. MAGA is a losing strategy to attract independents.

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MaineModerate's avatar

It's also knowing the district/state. Abbott's not a moderate, but he's a competent red state governor in a red state. This goes for both sides, but the parties need to stop trying to nationalize everything. The GOP needs to be OK with RINO Republicans in certain places and more nationalist/Trump-style Republicans in others. NH is another great example of that - Sununu crushed there while Bolduc was completely out-of-touch with moderates and independents.

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Jeffrey Carter's avatar

Except, you can't win with people like Romney or Murkowski. In heavy red states, you need to skip RINOs.

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MaineModerate's avatar

I'm talking about at the state and local level though. You won't get to a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate without them. If you're talking as top of the ticket presidential nominees, then sure, you're right. Otherwise, I think the coalition needs to be big enough to include them.

Think about it this way - will you be excited if the Dems primary Manchin and take him out in 2024? I will, because it will mean an easy GOP pick-up.

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John Oh's avatar

NH is a really bad example. Hassan spent $36.7 million to Bolduc's $1.9. Sununu is a well financed incumbent -- always tough to beat.

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MaineModerate's avatar

So what? Sara Gideon raised 3x as much as Susan Collins and spent 2x as much as her. It didn't do her any good and she lost convincingly in a blue/purple state. If Bolduc had been an appealing candidate to the voter and donor bases, he would've drawn more money in. The fact of the matter is that NH independents weren't going to vote for a hard right 2020 election denier and donors realized that. I see all the NH ads on TV and Bolduc had plenty of visibility there - he just had a record of saying things that made him easy to attack and demonize.

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Mark S Griffith's avatar

Wake up folks!!! The Dems have perfected the steal. In 2020 they had to do it out in the open. We watched as they stopped the counting, banned R's from overseeing the process, hired thousands of mules to stuff drop boxes, etc., etc.

Now, they have done in Arizona, Pa, and elsewhere, what they did in Colorado 10 years ago.

It is a smooth, well oiled machine, which we will NEVER recover from. You are telling me that Kari Lake lost to the SOS( responsible for counting the votes in AZ and did NOT recuse herself), Katie Hobbs, who basically did what Joe Biden did in 2020 and hid in her basement and refused to campaign and debate? Bull shit. Hobbs spoke like a Valley Girl and was about as smart as Fetterman, another great example.

Nope. They have made mail in and early voting normal and R's will never win again.

Look at Florida. That state tightened up voting rules 10 years ago and R's did fine.

We are done as a country. We are over. I am depressed.

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Jeffrey Carter's avatar

Georgia as well. I agree, big problems with the way mail in balloting is done. In Nevada we have very liberal rules on mail in yet Republicans were able to pull off victories. They beat the margin of fraud.

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BillD's avatar

The election deniers have mostly lost. Stop the BS. Mail voting is fine when done right. Some states even do universal mail-in. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/oregon-mail-in-voting-what-to-know

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Mark S Griffith's avatar

The states that have exclusive mail-in voting have all turned blue. Colorado tells that story perfectly.

Congressional District 3 is a heavily R district. But Boebert is trailing. Doesn't make sense.

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BillD's avatar

Because she is totally demented person is not good enough? Again, quality matters. The Rs flushed their chances down due to fealty to a narcissist. It's not due to 1 crazy candidate in 1 district. And see: Arrow.

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Jeffrey Carter's avatar

Mail in has to be tightly regulated. Georgia seems to do it right. Nevada does it wrong.

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BillD's avatar

It always comes down to the candidates. Look in OH and compare DeWine to Vance percentages. Nobody was fraudulently submitting DeWine/Ryan ballots. Any actual fraudulent election is almost by definition a match up of 2 mediocre candidates (when was the match up 2 actual good candidates that deserved to win?). As Arrow showed, group preferences have internal consistency issues.

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John Oh's avatar

Any system that can be gamed will be gamed, and it's so much easier to cheat with mail in votes. And we are also learning that the rules are only suggestions -- defective mail ins are allowed to be corrected or a judge decides that just because the ballot is incorrectly filled out it should still count. Harvesting is illegal in most places -- anyone get prosecuted? It goes on all the time. The democrats have a huge infrastructure to harvest and push early votes with the public employee unions, the teachers etc. The republicans count on everyone to act honorably. They don't call it the stupid party for nuthin. There will always be election fraud. Always. Same day voting is the most secure, and the most difficult to defraud.

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BillD's avatar

Every Republican who won their primary with help from Democratic meddling has lost in the general election. Stolen election BS killed the Rs. Team Orange for the L.

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BillD's avatar

Meijer might have been a good ally to actually try to reduce the size of government. But whatever.

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Jeffrey Carter's avatar

In Nevada it looks like we won't have closed primaries anymore. I am a fan of closed primaries. Register as one or the other, and then pick your candidate. No meddling happens. We also look like we will get ranked choice voting which is abysmal.

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BillD's avatar

I don't like open primaries. But ranked choice is the best, even if not perfect, within parties. Again, see Arrow. No cult of Orange with ranked choice. But/and also no cult of Orange with historical notion of parties. Also, ranked choice would have gotten rid of the GA runoff. The runoff benefits the Ds, I think.

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BillD's avatar

Please read Dr. Oz's concession statement. He might be a bit of a narcissist (all pols are). But he's not as crazy as Team Orange. Good for him and us!

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Ron Sandack's avatar

Agree across the board. More to your point, I thought the Dem's playing in Republican primaries and bolstering Trump candidates was playing with fire. It wasn't, it was a dangerous ploy but it worked. In resounding fashion.

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CMT's avatar

Ron DeSantis victory speech was Churchillian. The future!

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Trace Schmeltz's avatar

I agree, brother. It is time for the GOP to return to economic principles, focus on real job creation and smaller, yet effective, federal government and get rid of the other nonsense.

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Justin Maack's avatar

It is Desantis time. We need Trump to do the right thing and take the backseat. He won’t.

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Contarini's avatar

Agreed with all of this. Trump has lost the Mandate of Heaven. Time to move on.

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Rascal Nick Of's avatar

My take is that (vote fraud notwithstanding) in many places, the Red wave crashed on a wall of Gen Z tik tok kids who are, by and large, socialists that love abortion, UBI, masks, and vaccines, hate Trump and “boomers”, don’t use cash, and don’t answer phone calls, and are basically not accounted at all in the polling. Aside from DeSantis’s obvious qualities, Florida went so red because the population is generally older and vote fraud is actually illegal there. If I am right, unless something drastic changes (such as jabbed leftists dying in droves) this trend does not portend well for the future of this nation. God please help us.

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MaineModerate's avatar

I don't know - every young generation has their version of that super lefty politics. Then, usually, they become parents or get wealthier and drift to the middle/right. It's even happening with Millennials (and even more extremely with GenX) now. The problem, as I see it, is that the red wave (i.e. Trump's poorly picked, inexperienced, and extreme candidates) crashed up against the wall of suburban moms who saw through their bullshit. It's no surprise that Kemp, DeWine, and DeSantis won in landslides while Walker and Vance struggled. People, especially parents, like competent governance without extremes on either side. Youngkin proved that two years ago too.

Even here in Maine (where I am) - there's a reason that Paul LePage went down in flames compared to Collins upsetting a progressive Dem two years ago. LePage has 10 years worth of baggage that make people (including family members of mine) not want to vote for him. Whereas Collins/Biden voters were a definite thing in 2020.

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John Oh's avatar

I think you are right. Gen Z, they don't answer the phone for unknown callers and are not reachable by polling. And the democrats outsmarted the republicans nationally by using early voting to target these kids especially young women on abortion (and whatever issue they were able to figure out) and push them with early voting/mail in ballots using tiktok and other social media to vote early. Once the vote was in, they got removed from the list and more resources were devoted to those that had not voted yet. Early voting was hard on republicans and abortion was the issue, but it was under the polling radar. Good tech, but Gen Z won't like the result of the policies they have enabled. Republicans will now run out an hire a bunch of consultants to do this next cycle -- always fighting the last war.

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Rascal Nick Of's avatar

I live in Idaho but for some reasonwas getting text messages from Val Demings campaign every couple days in Florida until I told them stop. I’m guessing the Dems constant text messages may actually motivate some of these dopey Gen Z’s to the polls. Gen Z are so thoroughly brainwashed, I’m doubtful they will recognize the cause and effect. Their solution to every problem seems to be “make rich people give me money”, which Democrats are happy to do, but substitute rich people for the middle class.

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Patrick Tracey's avatar

I had to re-write my comment - it made me look like a Democrat!

I would crawl through glass shards to vote for Trump. I would do the same for DeSantis. For reasons already explained here in Points and Figures - time to move on. I also would like to commend Lee Zeldin on his run. Here on Long Island - all 4 House seats (2 flips from D) went to the GOP. the 2 in Nassau County tend to lean towards the Dems. Sean Patrick Maloney got the boot upstate. Lee led the charge. A LOT of Democrats voted for him. The silver lining in his loss - is that if he were GOV, the State Assembly and Senate would blame him for every thing they screw up going forward. They have Hochul. We are doomed in NY.

GOP has to get better candidates. Lee Zeldin would have beaten Fetterman or Warnock. Get to work boys and girls!

If GOP wins the House and Senate - even by 1 seat - that to me is a WIN. Instead of winning the baseball game by 8-1 you win 2-1. A win is a win. That is my hope.

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Mitch Weiner's avatar

As was thought months ago, Republicans retaking the House, but not able to retake the Senate, is just a baby step forward for a nation that is slow to recognize that drastic change is necessary merely to maintain its standards of living and number one status. Unfortunately, the more condescending and arrogant the liberal, the more cataclysmic and catastrophic the economy must become and crime must become for them to alter their votes. Most of us learned after college that we cannot afford to live our lives based solely on our emotions, but we had to recognize that the quality of our lives is determined by what we do, not what we think and how we feel. The ultimate liberal is insistent upon judging oneself on one's intentions and the rest of the World by their actions and still coming up with judgmental flaws of others and forgiveness of self, despite self-loathing which is a truly truly hypocritical internal malady which is likely only treatable by becoming a conservative LOL

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Scott Garl's avatar

I've been willing to let a lot slide re: Trump. But when he name called Desantis this week, it felt so wrong, so out of touch, that I've had it.

Speaking of wrong, I hope Saylor has stocked up on diapers -- 16,200 currently. The street is coming for his head. I read a April 2020 tweet of his this morning, didn't think the guy was this "out there". But then again, when you bet the farm on margin, with no stop, you really don't know what you're doing.

To quote: #Bitcoin is a swarm of cyber hornets serving the goddess of wisdom, feeding on the fire of truth, exponentially growing ever smarter, faster, and stronger behind a wall of encrypted energy.

I agree with Brian, crypto needs to wash out. Is MSTR really still going to hold all of BTC on their balance sheet if it goes to 10k, 5k? What if it takes 3-5 years of consolidation to mount a comeback? When would they ever admit loss and move on?

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BillD's avatar

Horrible candidates losing, crypto crashing. The country is healing.

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