Now do the math of every time they go to the hospital that hospital gets to bill out 10 times the Medicare allowable for whatever they were seen for if they don’t have insurance, they’re not gonna deny them because of their immigration status. Who do you think eats the cost of health insurance premiums to pay for that
Yeah, I guess you’ve never been hit by an illegal driver who ran… hence my insurance has the pay for someone else who supposedly should have insurance to cover that hence millions of drivers go through this scenario and end up having to pay more for insurance premiums because there’s 20 million illegals without insurance
Any illegal that gets pulled over and does not have a driver’s license or insurance, the vehicle should immediately get impounded. Then the illegal gets deported.
I think that CA is fucked, at least So Cal. Here in nor cal, Indians and Asians are too busy working to pay their massive mortgages versus running around waving their country of origin flags all day long while destroying the community. Mexican culture has worn out it's welcome and wish them luck garnering sympathy going forward beyond the democrat losers in power who are writing their epitaphs for supporting such low-life bullshit.
Illegal immigrants pay taxes? Well, SALES tax, maybe, but IF they have jobs, they are generally under-the-table payment in cash jobs. They don't pay into Social Security, they don't pay income taxes, they don't have health insurance. Instead, they show up in the emergency room as indigents, and their health care gets paid for by every patient who HAS health insurance.
The math of those that make the arguments that we will "lose" via deportation does not add up. At best the calculations don't consider the vast costs we pay in various welfare programs, and as others have mentioned, schooling and costs of auto insurance. Then factor in the cost to our judicial system, including police.
If this was such a great deal for us, why are the illegals and the politicians in the countries they flee object to the (relatively minor) remittance tax proposed in the BBB, of 3.5%
And why are remittances the largest revenue item for Mexico (and significant for many other Latin American cos as well as India).
The American people are tapped out with supporting those from other countries.
I would charge an entry fee for all the foreign students.
Day one in the US, all students attend a seminar on the limits of their visa and the penalties for violating their visa. This seminar would also explain the penalties for theft of intellectual property and espionage. The student must then sign a document that they understand these penalties and confirm that they will not commit any crimes in the US. Any violations committed while a student and they are barred for life from re-entering the US.
I would limit their fields of study and what jobs they can work or intern at.
I would make all foreign students take a class on the superiority of Western Civilization.
I would also make all foreign students take a class on the evils of communism and totalitarianism, and each student must write a long paper defending natural rights, the freedom of all people worldwide, and the right of free speech.
Lastly, I would put a time limit on the total number of years a student can spend in the US. If a student is not attending a school and taking classes, their visa gets revoked.
Also worth noting regarding the whole "stolen land" BS narrative is the fact that they didn't just sprout out of the ground here. They emigrated to North America from Asia through the Aleutian Islands. Indigenous my ass!
You know the truth is illegal ima grants prior to 2005 were good people Tgey put their cars on cynderblocks come to the us and work real hard General hard work. They always went home during the winter the illegals now are different
Jeffrey Dahmer went to Ohio State. Typical Ohio State, he was a pleasant guy most of the time, but then went full Buckeye and was a real chore to be around.
You might be thinking of Ted Kaczynski, he was a loyal Wolverine. Or perhaps Richard Loeb, of Leopold and Loeb, who graduated from Michigan before going on to bigger things at University of Chicago.
In all due respects, you are looking at this logically. However, many in this country don't do that. It is simple, many look at it as - "it's Trump so must be bad." I have a number of friends - all with college degrees, many with MBAs and many had senior positions in large companies that have lost it when it comes to Trump. One friend, meets all the things above, has two Tesla's and for years talked about how he wanted to get another one. Few weeks ago was having coffee with him and he commented on how the Tesla used market had really dried up. Asked why did he care and he said he was selling his. Asked him why and he said "Musk works for Trump now, can't own a Tesla." So, you can't look at what is going on in any rational way.
When self righteous people claim that illegals pay taxes, I am reminded of the illegal who stole my social security number and used it to collect $50,000 in wages. The IRS tried to collect the taxes from me and it royally screwed up my social security payments for a year. It took months and legal affidavits to unravel the tax situation. The IRS would not even tell who supposedly paid "me" the 50,000. So the illegal got away with it.
To the "they pay taxes" argument - I say B#@*^#×t!
For all of the people over the years who immigrated to the U.S. LEGALLY, including the time, costs, and expectations ("don't become a burden to the country", for one) and who assimilated vs. continuing to fully practicing their previous culture here, are they entitled to REPARATIONS? You know, to make up for the free phones, health coverage, housing, flights, etc. they didn't receive in going the legal route, but the ILLEGAL entrants did receive during the previous administration. The immigration system has been fine for decades, it wasn't until the Progs/Libs F'D it up and outright ignored it that it became a problem. I'll sit down now.
The biggest problem in the immigration debate is the stunning ignorance so prevalent in so many conversations where people do not differentiate between legal immigration and illegal aliens and it seems to have escaped the cuckoos on the left that one can be pro legal immigration and anti illegal migrants. Combine that with an offhanded dismissal of the enforcement of immigration laws and you have a recipe for disaster.
Now take into account that the average American is a lazy thinker, including many well-educated people who have been bred by their parents and their parents before them to take as gospel and at face value the information they get from Network news at 5, 6 and 10:00 p.m.. up until about four decades ago that might have made sense. Now you have a mainstream media that is among the least trustworthy in the free world, as evidenced in annual polls taken by one of their own, Reuters, certainly far from being a conservative source lol, which in 2017 polled residents of 46 nations in the Free World as to trustworthiness and accuracy in their mainstream media and the United States finished dead last - 46th out of 46 countries - and has never finished better than 10th from the bottom, which is a scathing condemnation of an industry filled with condescendingly arrogant jerk offs who refuse to admit when they are mistaken, as evidence just recently by The Washington Post claiming an issue of "fairness" instead of being blatantly wrong on the so-called Israeli shootings in Gaza where people were giving out aid and it turned out it was terrorists blocks away who did that.
The fact of the matter is, anybody who goes on social media these days, especially Facebook and Twitter, sees there are a lot of stupid people on the planet who lack even a modicum of deductive reasoning and critical analysis skills and cannot see below the surface level of what a pretty face tells them in the media.
As I write this, Israel is fighting a war on behalf of the entire free world to cut off the head of the snake in Iran, the world's largest state sponsor of terrorism, responsible for literally 90% of the terrorism around the world in the past decade and the nation that has sworn to destroy Israel and America and create a worldwide Islamic caliphate ruled by Sharia law in which any non-believer will be sentenced to slavery or death,and yet there are still nut Job wacko liberals and Democrats around the world who are going to say it was unnecessary, despite The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) confirming they were violating international law by continuing to enrich uranium. It is irresponsible for journalists to perpetuate falsehoods, yet they continue to do so in their desperate attempts to remain relevant as people get their news from alternative sources instead of mainstream media and they are going down in flames like their puppet masters in the Democrat Party. Probably a very good thing that bodes well for the future of our nation.
It is so refreshing to have an Administration in power that is enforcing immigration law instead of letting our country further deteriorate.
My parents were DP's in WW2. It took them about seven years before they found sponsorship to come to the US. As luck would have it, they ended up with two sponsors at the same time. They arrived in Chicago in 1952. My Dad started working one week after they arrived, welding aluminum ladders together for $1.48 an hour. My Mom worked in a factory for less than that. They paid for their own apartment and their own food. They bought a two flat in the Little Village area and lived there till 1969 when they thought the public schools and neighborhood were starting to go down hill. They then bought a house in Fox River Grove where they lived till they moved to Florida after I graduated from college. You can get here legally if you want. Over 1,000,000 people do it legally every year.
Now factor in why your health insurance is skyrocketing and auto insurance… they have no constitutional rights to anything
Now do the math of every time they go to the hospital that hospital gets to bill out 10 times the Medicare allowable for whatever they were seen for if they don’t have insurance, they’re not gonna deny them because of their immigration status. Who do you think eats the cost of health insurance premiums to pay for that
Yeah, I guess you’ve never been hit by an illegal driver who ran… hence my insurance has the pay for someone else who supposedly should have insurance to cover that hence millions of drivers go through this scenario and end up having to pay more for insurance premiums because there’s 20 million illegals without insurance
I don't disagree, but there are other factors besides illegals that increase insurance costs
100%
You don't understand! The rules only apply to the people who follow them! It needs to stop and sending them all back is a good start.
Any illegal that gets pulled over and does not have a driver’s license or insurance, the vehicle should immediately get impounded. Then the illegal gets deported.
true, but the bureaucracy on both health/auto along with regulations and price floors/ceilings has more to do with it
There are 40 million illegals here-
We will not be able to arrest, process and deport them-
At 1,000 a day it would take 100 years….
We need to cut off all aid- maybe they’ll leave -
Also we need to make them pay massive income taxes- anyone who employs illegals has to do it by the book- or it’s a million dollar fine-
We need a pragmatic approach to this problem. We can’t afford the burden now on our school system, healthcare system and social welfare net-
So here is the plan:
Illegals get no free stuff- no healthcare, no school, no rent-
Illegals pay very high income taxes-
And if they don’t like it- adios
add significant taxes on remittances to foreign recipients.
That would be an extremely smart move.
I think that CA is fucked, at least So Cal. Here in nor cal, Indians and Asians are too busy working to pay their massive mortgages versus running around waving their country of origin flags all day long while destroying the community. Mexican culture has worn out it's welcome and wish them luck garnering sympathy going forward beyond the democrat losers in power who are writing their epitaphs for supporting such low-life bullshit.
Illegal immigrants pay taxes? Well, SALES tax, maybe, but IF they have jobs, they are generally under-the-table payment in cash jobs. They don't pay into Social Security, they don't pay income taxes, they don't have health insurance. Instead, they show up in the emergency room as indigents, and their health care gets paid for by every patient who HAS health insurance.
It's why FairTax.org works especially well. Illegals can't avoid it.
Great column, agree 150%!
The math of those that make the arguments that we will "lose" via deportation does not add up. At best the calculations don't consider the vast costs we pay in various welfare programs, and as others have mentioned, schooling and costs of auto insurance. Then factor in the cost to our judicial system, including police.
If this was such a great deal for us, why are the illegals and the politicians in the countries they flee object to the (relatively minor) remittance tax proposed in the BBB, of 3.5%
And why are remittances the largest revenue item for Mexico (and significant for many other Latin American cos as well as India).
The American people are tapped out with supporting those from other countries.
Deport them all.
I would charge an entry fee for all the foreign students.
Day one in the US, all students attend a seminar on the limits of their visa and the penalties for violating their visa. This seminar would also explain the penalties for theft of intellectual property and espionage. The student must then sign a document that they understand these penalties and confirm that they will not commit any crimes in the US. Any violations committed while a student and they are barred for life from re-entering the US.
I would limit their fields of study and what jobs they can work or intern at.
I would make all foreign students take a class on the superiority of Western Civilization.
I would also make all foreign students take a class on the evils of communism and totalitarianism, and each student must write a long paper defending natural rights, the freedom of all people worldwide, and the right of free speech.
Lastly, I would put a time limit on the total number of years a student can spend in the US. If a student is not attending a school and taking classes, their visa gets revoked.
I voted for it, and if it takes live bullets to nip this crap in the bud, that'll be okay too. Shut it down.
On point, Jeff. As usual. We DID vote for this.
Your tax dollars are funding most of this mayhem @DataRepublican(small r).
Also worth noting regarding the whole "stolen land" BS narrative is the fact that they didn't just sprout out of the ground here. They emigrated to North America from Asia through the Aleutian Islands. Indigenous my ass!
The most accurate term for these people is Siberian-Americans.
You know the truth is illegal ima grants prior to 2005 were good people Tgey put their cars on cynderblocks come to the us and work real hard General hard work. They always went home during the winter the illegals now are different
We are in big trouble you should only know !
Jeffrey Dahmer went to Ohio State. Typical Ohio State, he was a pleasant guy most of the time, but then went full Buckeye and was a real chore to be around.
Seemed like a Michigan man.
You might be thinking of Ted Kaczynski, he was a loyal Wolverine. Or perhaps Richard Loeb, of Leopold and Loeb, who graduated from Michigan before going on to bigger things at University of Chicago.
In all due respects, you are looking at this logically. However, many in this country don't do that. It is simple, many look at it as - "it's Trump so must be bad." I have a number of friends - all with college degrees, many with MBAs and many had senior positions in large companies that have lost it when it comes to Trump. One friend, meets all the things above, has two Tesla's and for years talked about how he wanted to get another one. Few weeks ago was having coffee with him and he commented on how the Tesla used market had really dried up. Asked why did he care and he said he was selling his. Asked him why and he said "Musk works for Trump now, can't own a Tesla." So, you can't look at what is going on in any rational way.
LOL. This guy you speak of sounds like a neighbor of mine. Small world if it is . . .
When self righteous people claim that illegals pay taxes, I am reminded of the illegal who stole my social security number and used it to collect $50,000 in wages. The IRS tried to collect the taxes from me and it royally screwed up my social security payments for a year. It took months and legal affidavits to unravel the tax situation. The IRS would not even tell who supposedly paid "me" the 50,000. So the illegal got away with it.
To the "they pay taxes" argument - I say B#@*^#×t!
For all of the people over the years who immigrated to the U.S. LEGALLY, including the time, costs, and expectations ("don't become a burden to the country", for one) and who assimilated vs. continuing to fully practicing their previous culture here, are they entitled to REPARATIONS? You know, to make up for the free phones, health coverage, housing, flights, etc. they didn't receive in going the legal route, but the ILLEGAL entrants did receive during the previous administration. The immigration system has been fine for decades, it wasn't until the Progs/Libs F'D it up and outright ignored it that it became a problem. I'll sit down now.
The biggest problem in the immigration debate is the stunning ignorance so prevalent in so many conversations where people do not differentiate between legal immigration and illegal aliens and it seems to have escaped the cuckoos on the left that one can be pro legal immigration and anti illegal migrants. Combine that with an offhanded dismissal of the enforcement of immigration laws and you have a recipe for disaster.
Now take into account that the average American is a lazy thinker, including many well-educated people who have been bred by their parents and their parents before them to take as gospel and at face value the information they get from Network news at 5, 6 and 10:00 p.m.. up until about four decades ago that might have made sense. Now you have a mainstream media that is among the least trustworthy in the free world, as evidenced in annual polls taken by one of their own, Reuters, certainly far from being a conservative source lol, which in 2017 polled residents of 46 nations in the Free World as to trustworthiness and accuracy in their mainstream media and the United States finished dead last - 46th out of 46 countries - and has never finished better than 10th from the bottom, which is a scathing condemnation of an industry filled with condescendingly arrogant jerk offs who refuse to admit when they are mistaken, as evidence just recently by The Washington Post claiming an issue of "fairness" instead of being blatantly wrong on the so-called Israeli shootings in Gaza where people were giving out aid and it turned out it was terrorists blocks away who did that.
The fact of the matter is, anybody who goes on social media these days, especially Facebook and Twitter, sees there are a lot of stupid people on the planet who lack even a modicum of deductive reasoning and critical analysis skills and cannot see below the surface level of what a pretty face tells them in the media.
As I write this, Israel is fighting a war on behalf of the entire free world to cut off the head of the snake in Iran, the world's largest state sponsor of terrorism, responsible for literally 90% of the terrorism around the world in the past decade and the nation that has sworn to destroy Israel and America and create a worldwide Islamic caliphate ruled by Sharia law in which any non-believer will be sentenced to slavery or death,and yet there are still nut Job wacko liberals and Democrats around the world who are going to say it was unnecessary, despite The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) confirming they were violating international law by continuing to enrich uranium. It is irresponsible for journalists to perpetuate falsehoods, yet they continue to do so in their desperate attempts to remain relevant as people get their news from alternative sources instead of mainstream media and they are going down in flames like their puppet masters in the Democrat Party. Probably a very good thing that bodes well for the future of our nation.
It is so refreshing to have an Administration in power that is enforcing immigration law instead of letting our country further deteriorate.
Amen, it's not perfect, but enforcing the laws and kicking some bad guys out way overdue for some needed balance.
My parents were DP's in WW2. It took them about seven years before they found sponsorship to come to the US. As luck would have it, they ended up with two sponsors at the same time. They arrived in Chicago in 1952. My Dad started working one week after they arrived, welding aluminum ladders together for $1.48 an hour. My Mom worked in a factory for less than that. They paid for their own apartment and their own food. They bought a two flat in the Little Village area and lived there till 1969 when they thought the public schools and neighborhood were starting to go down hill. They then bought a house in Fox River Grove where they lived till they moved to Florida after I graduated from college. You can get here legally if you want. Over 1,000,000 people do it legally every year.