Im a little torn on this. Doesn’t a nation have to ensure they can produce enough food (and other things) to be self sufficient? If we were to buy a product made in a third world country with almost slave labor at their cost no one in america could make a profit off of that same product.
I think we do what we have to to keep the ability to produce or grow essential stuff like food l, medicine and energy. All we really have to do is set the price I guess. I’m not sure about using tax dollars to pay big agriculture. They already have crop insurance.
Nicole Shanahan (RFK's VP running mate when he was running for Pres) was on Bannon's War Room today (5PM show) and discussed this appt and some of the options for Sec of Ag and for achieving healthier ag practices, WITHOUT sacrificing yield. She was surprisingly enthusiastic about MickeyD, just advocating for different fats for french fries and some other issues.
IIRC, one of the potential nominees was someone that the Dems supposedly like.
FWIW, I already avoid foods with high fructose corn syrup and some of the less "advisable" ingredients.
Actually an exciting time. And while you are in France, Jeffrey, maybe you can find out some more about their agricultural practices?
My question was more around French farming practices. Certainly their viticulture is quite focused on soil and soil quality, which as I understand it, is less common in factory large farms here in the USA.
We spend a part of the year in a rural country and can observe which farms employ the age old practice of crop rotation and allowing fields to lie fallow for a time. Sadly some have "sprouted" solar farms as crops instead. Ugly!
Interestingly enough, yesterday RFK invited executives from the fast food chains to meet with him and discuss ways to eliminate seed oils and other suggestions for less unhealthy offerings.
So we were discussing this a couple of nights ago. Turns out that the reason the fast food outlets dropped beef tallow fat is that one man, who had heart issues, self financed a crusade against beef tallow fat in the early 1990's.
AG is huge, to be sure. So many other things swirl around AG that need to be done away with. FDR certainly was the king of subsidies and all things involving government interference, though he did, at least in this case, inherit hangover from a prior Socialist in Woodrow Wilson. AG in the U.S. exploded its production during and kept it up after WW I. Problem was Europe recovered its ability to farm and produce crops and over the following decade after WW I needed less and less of agricultural imports from the U.S., yet farmers never adjusted and kept producing at the same levels. Eventually with the depression this brought the ability for this to get strung along with crop loans and excess production and it eventually lead to of course subsidies, but also during the depression the FDR administration was having farmers destroy their crops. It would not be out of hand to say that FDR was/is the most destructive and arguably the worst president we have ever had on so many different level's that it will be hard for anyone to ever approach how bad he was.
Totally agree. I think the only way to deal with the Corn problem is to find another market for it. You are absolutely right that the R's in the midwest farm belt (and farmers everywhere) do not want their subsidies cut. Just like everyone else who receives a gift from Uncle Sam (ie the taxpayers). Have to find a market for the corn elsewhere. Either change it to edible corn or promote it as feed corn. Africa would be a good market with a growing population but has to be more stable. It's an intertwined and complicated problem.
Im a little torn on this. Doesn’t a nation have to ensure they can produce enough food (and other things) to be self sufficient? If we were to buy a product made in a third world country with almost slave labor at their cost no one in america could make a profit off of that same product.
I see your concern. Should we subsidize it?
I think we do what we have to to keep the ability to produce or grow essential stuff like food l, medicine and energy. All we really have to do is set the price I guess. I’m not sure about using tax dollars to pay big agriculture. They already have crop insurance.
Great point, Jeff. We put 40% of our corn crop into our gas tanks - that is an indicator of some serious issues on many levels.
Nicole Shanahan (RFK's VP running mate when he was running for Pres) was on Bannon's War Room today (5PM show) and discussed this appt and some of the options for Sec of Ag and for achieving healthier ag practices, WITHOUT sacrificing yield. She was surprisingly enthusiastic about MickeyD, just advocating for different fats for french fries and some other issues.
IIRC, one of the potential nominees was someone that the Dems supposedly like.
FWIW, I already avoid foods with high fructose corn syrup and some of the less "advisable" ingredients.
Actually an exciting time. And while you are in France, Jeffrey, maybe you can find out some more about their agricultural practices?
France subsidizes and limits imports. For example, only wine from France-no imports! Cheese similar.
Jeff, you are right.
My question was more around French farming practices. Certainly their viticulture is quite focused on soil and soil quality, which as I understand it, is less common in factory large farms here in the USA.
We spend a part of the year in a rural country and can observe which farms employ the age old practice of crop rotation and allowing fields to lie fallow for a time. Sadly some have "sprouted" solar farms as crops instead. Ugly!
Yield is key.
Interestingly enough, yesterday RFK invited executives from the fast food chains to meet with him and discuss ways to eliminate seed oils and other suggestions for less unhealthy offerings.
So we were discussing this a couple of nights ago. Turns out that the reason the fast food outlets dropped beef tallow fat is that one man, who had heart issues, self financed a crusade against beef tallow fat in the early 1990's.
These "studies" are so often rigged.
Glad to hear RFK is actively seeking solution.
AG is huge, to be sure. So many other things swirl around AG that need to be done away with. FDR certainly was the king of subsidies and all things involving government interference, though he did, at least in this case, inherit hangover from a prior Socialist in Woodrow Wilson. AG in the U.S. exploded its production during and kept it up after WW I. Problem was Europe recovered its ability to farm and produce crops and over the following decade after WW I needed less and less of agricultural imports from the U.S., yet farmers never adjusted and kept producing at the same levels. Eventually with the depression this brought the ability for this to get strung along with crop loans and excess production and it eventually lead to of course subsidies, but also during the depression the FDR administration was having farmers destroy their crops. It would not be out of hand to say that FDR was/is the most destructive and arguably the worst president we have ever had on so many different level's that it will be hard for anyone to ever approach how bad he was.
Totally agree. I think the only way to deal with the Corn problem is to find another market for it. You are absolutely right that the R's in the midwest farm belt (and farmers everywhere) do not want their subsidies cut. Just like everyone else who receives a gift from Uncle Sam (ie the taxpayers). Have to find a market for the corn elsewhere. Either change it to edible corn or promote it as feed corn. Africa would be a good market with a growing population but has to be more stable. It's an intertwined and complicated problem.
Freudian slip in your first sentence of fifth paragraph.
Well, French IS a romance language 😄